Dec 192014


December 19, 2014

East Carolina University will graduate more than 2,000 students today during its fall commencement ceremony.

The main ceremony will start with a band concert at 9:30 a.m. in Williams Arena in Minges Coliseum, 100 Ficklen Drive. The commencement processional will begin at 10 a.m.

The university will graduate more than 2,270 students, including about 1,565 bachelor degree candidates, 45 doctoral degree candidates and more than 660 graduate degree candidates.

Abbie Brown, a professor of instructional technology in the university’s College of Education, will deliver the commencement address. Brown, who teaches exclusively online, is a distance-education professor who received the University of North Carolina Board of Governor’s Award for Teaching Excellence this year.

Attendees of the main ceremony do not need tickets, though they may be required for college, school or department ceremonies.

Those interested in attending unit ceremonies, which will occur this afternoon through Saturday morning, are asked to have their graduating student make contact at the college, school or department.

Those with disabilities requesting accommodations at the ceremonies are asked to contact the Department for Disability Support Services at 328-6799 or 328-0899 (TTY).

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Dec 192014


By Jane Stancill
December 19, 2014

After lengthy debate, East Carolina University trustees postponed a decision Thursday on whether to rename a dormitory that now bears the name of Charles B. Aycock, a former governor who espoused white supremacist views.

The university has been examining the issue for months, and a vote had been planned for Thursday. A campus committee and Chancellor Steve Ballard both recommended removal of the Aycock name, saying it was detrimental to the university’s mission to serve a diverse population.

The debate, at times contentious, went on for more than 2-1/2 hours. Despite a motion from the board’s only African-American member, Danny Scott, who wanted to strip the Aycock name, most board members agreed they wanted more time to consider the issue.

“I believe we’re trying to figure out how to not celebrate his name anymore,” said trustee Deborah Davis. “But how do we not lose the history and learn from these lessons of the past, to be able to fulfill the mission of East Carolina University?”

A campus committee that studied the issue for a couple of weeks concluded that Aycock’s reputation had changed and that continued use of his name “dishonors the University’s standards and is contrary to the best interest of the University,” according to the recommendation.

Ballard echoed those sentiments, saying values have changed since 1961, when former leaders, including revered former Chancellor Leo Jenkins, chose to name the dorm for Aycock. “My view is what he represented does not represent ECU in 2014 or moving forward,” Ballard said. “I can’t say it any other way than that.”

He pointed out that naming of the building for Aycock occurred before the Civil Rights Act and before the arrival of the first African-American students. Today, students of color make up 22 percent of ECU’s student body.

Scott said African-American alumni and prospective students are watching the board’s deliberation. “We will be held accountable for the decisions we make here,” Scott said.

The Aycock name has been troubling to others. The state Democratic party in 2011 ditched the name Vance-Aycock for its fall dinner, now calling it the Western Gala. In June, Duke University removed the former governor’s name from a dormitory following pressure from student government. Two other public campuses – UNC Greensboro and UNC-Chapel Hill – also have Aycock buildings and may reconsider. The name is also attached to public schools around North Carolina.

‘Education’ governor

Aycock, who was governor from 1901 to 1905, had a complex and contradictory legacy. Known as the first “education governor,” he established 1,100 schools and nearly 900 libraries around the state. He also worked with the legislature to pass laws that disenfranchised black voters. He was prominent in the Democratic Party’s white supremacy campaigns of 1898 and 1900.

His speeches portray a man who viewed blacks as inferior. The committee’s report quotes an Aycock speech in 1904, promoting more funds for white schools over black schools: “Let us cast away all fear of rivalry with the negro, all apprehension that he shall ever overtake us in the race of life. We are the thoroughbreds and should have no fear of winning the race against a commoner stock.”

Andrew Morehead, a chemistry professor and chairman of the committee, said members learned about Aycock through his own words.

“Most of us thought of him as the education governor,” Morehead said. “I think reading those documents is fairly eye-opening.”

Some trustees weren’t confident in the results of the committee’s review, however.

Kieran Shanahan said he was disturbed by the process. The committee conducted an online survey that was unscientific, he said, and appears to have broken the state’s open meeting laws by not providing notice to the public. There were no minutes of the meetings provided, Shanahan said, and the panel only met for about seven days.

“I’m just very troubled that there’s this emotional rush to do something to make some constituency feel better,” Shanahan said.

Scott said it has taken generations for the African-American community to recover from Jim Crow laws. There is no reason not to remove Aycock’s name.

“The evil that this guy perpetrated is unbelievable,” Scott said. “I can’t imagine a standard that could be higher.”

Aycock’s words

Alumnus Neal Crawford, who served on the review committee, said he grew up a mile from Aycock’s birthplace and attended a high school named for him.

“When I read the man’s own words – we cannot have that dorm named that anymore,” Crawford said. “If I were a young African-American student coming to East Carolina, I would not want to stay in a dorm with a man who believed that and said those things. I think we need to change it. I know it’s hard.”

But some were worried about the slippery slope of renaming a building because of a namesake’s attitudes.

Chairman Robert Brinkley said perception is very important. But he wanted to explore other options for exposing Aycock’s legacy, such as a adding a plaque or a film. The board is expected to vote in February.

“I can’t imagine that anybody, regardless of how he or she votes, is voting in favor of white supremacy and those ‘values’ that are reflected in those speeches,” Brinkley said.

Dec 192014


Dec 19, 2014


Trustees at East Carolina University aren’t ready to rename a campus dormitory honoring former Gov. Charles Aycock, who improved North Carolina’s education system but promoted white supremacy.

Multiple media outlets reported that Thursday’s vote on changing the building’s name was postponed.

ECU Chancellor Steve Ballard said during the sometimes-heated trustees meeting that since the building was named for Aycock in 1961 the student body is 22 percent non-white.

Aycock was governor from 1901 to 1905. He established 1,100 schools and nearly 900 libraries around the state, but also pushed for laws that disenfranchised black voters. He was prominent in the Democratic Party’s white supremacy campaigns of 1898 and 1900.

The state Democratic Party changed the name of its annual fall gala and Duke University renamed a building named for Aycock.

Dec 192014


By Jane Dail
December 19, 2014

The East Carolina Board of Trustees voted to delay a decision to rename a residence hall on campus till February, with some members wanting more time to review materials and options while others took issue with possible violations of public meeting laws.

The trustees voted unanimously at the conclusion of the nearly three-hour meeting Thursday to table voting on the chancellor’s recommendation to rename Aycock Residence Hall, which was dedicated to former Gov. Charles B. Aycock. Aycock is well-known for his dedication to education and for his disenfranchisement and intimidation of Republicans, which included mostly blacks at the time.

An naming ad hoc committee made up of staff, faculty, students and alumni met this month and recommended to Chancellor Steve Ballard to rename the building. The chancellor gave his recommendation to the trustees this week to rename the residence hall. Ballard also suggested providing an on-site explanation of the history of the building, Aycock’s name and his contributions to education in the state.

Members asked if there was a way to ensure the board vote at its next meeting but concluded there is a possibility they could further delay the decision. Several board members were adamant about definitely making the decision then.

Board Chairman Robert Brinkley said he wished the board previously had considered alternatives to renaming the building, but the extra time may allow the board to do so.

Trustees Kieran Shanahan, who said he lived in Aycock Hall while at ECU, expressed concern over a lack of minutes available from the naming committee meetings as well as a lack of public input and notification of the meetings.

Steve Serck with the Office of University Counsel said because the committee included members of the public who were alumni, the meetings should have been subject to open meetings law. Had it only included staff, faculty and students, it would not have been subject. The Daily Reflector only received public notice of the final meeting in which the committee voted for its recommendation.

Shanahan, who is an attorney, said he had not made a decision on the renaming but was concerned about the process.

“I don’t know a reasonable person who could look at the charge of the committee and not think it was public,” he said. “How could you solicit substantial input from all shareholders?”

Committee Chairman Andrew Morehead said the committee was not informed meetings had to be public until they were advised by university attorneys. He said considering time restraints, the committee believed the best way to gauge public interest was through an online survey, though he said it was not a binding referendum.

Trustee Deborah Davis said from the calls and emails she has received, it was obvious the meetings were known to the public.

“It would appear there has been significant access to the public to provide input and feedback,” Davis said.

Davis, Trustee Carol Mabe and Trustee Danny Scott expressed concern about tabling the decision initially but voted for the delay

“It’s not fair to keep people dangling on this,” Mabe said.

Morehead said the committee’s did not judge the trustees’ decision in 1961 to name the building after Aycock but made their recommendation based on the increasing awareness of the entirety of Aycock’s legacy.

At the request of one of the trustees, ECU Historian John Tucker gave a synopsis of Aycock’s legacy, which included his advocacy for universal education, his contributions to ECU and how policies created under him, including poll taxes and literacy tests, also affected whites. He also said Aycock was an outspoke opponent to lynching, though his efforts were not always successful, and he was the first governor to designate a significant amount of public money to public education.

Scott called Tucker’s report “whitewashed” and said education in black schools at the time did not teach enough for students to pass literacy tests.

“The evils this guy perpetrated is unbelievable,” Scott said. “… I’ve tried to find some reason why we should not remove his name from this building, and I cannot.”

Neal Crawford, an alumnus who served on the renaming ad hoc committee, said even though he grew up near where Aycock was born and even attended C.B. Aycock High School in Wayne County, he voted for the recommendation to rename.

“I came to the conclusion I didn’t think the name should be Charles B. Aycock dorm anymore,” Crawford said.

Ballard said Aycock’s entire legacy is contrary to the best interest of the university.

“What’s changed is our sense of values,” he said.

Jay Garcia, a senior in criminal justice and political science, said he was among the students, including leaders in minority student organizations, who started an effort to rename the residence hall.

Garcia said he wanted a decision to be made several months ago, and the decision has been delayed for several meetings.

“We’ve been pushing for this since the beginning of the semester,” Garcia said. “… Is this an actual representation of them caring about us, or do they just not understand how students of color feel toward this name?”

Eliza Monroe, a junior at ECU in urban planning, said she attended the meeting even though it was the last day of exams because having a student presence is important.

Monroe said she was disappointed the trustees did not make a decision but was not surprised. Two other University of North Carolina system schools are also in the process of considering similar renamings

“I know we’re supposed to be a leadership university, but this has become a rhetoric for us to not make leads and to not do anything,” she said. “… That in and of itself should kind of be what people take away from this meeting … to constantly put things aside, to not actually take the lead, to wait for other universities to do things, to continue to do our research even though it’s been six-plus months.”

Dec 192014


By Brian Haines

December 19, 2014

GREENVILLE — When East Carolina coach Ruffin McNeill arrived in Greenville five years ago, he took over a Pirates team that lost numerous players from the Skip Holtz-led squad that won the Conference USA championship in 2009.

McNeil vowed that he would construct a football team that was built to last, and over the course of time he has proceeded to do just that. The foundation was put in place last season when the Pirates won 10 games for only the second time, while earning their first bowl game win since 2007.

“When we got here we lost the most lettermen in the country. There were some lumps early,” McNeill told reporters Monday. “A lot of you (media) where here that day when I stood behind (the podium) and told you we were not going to microwave this. We were going to build it brick by brick, and we didn’t want to win for a season, we wanted to win for seasons.”

McNeill, who has gone 37-26 at East Carolina, can add another brick or two if ECU (8-4) can top Florida (6-5) in the Birmingham Bowl on Jan. 3.

A victory over a brand-name team such as the Gators would not only be another feather for McNeill and Co. but would give the Pirates back-to-back bowl-winning seasons for the first time.

Florida is in the midst of a transition period. After losing to South Carolina 23-20 in overtime on Nov. 15, the Gators fired coach Will Muschamp, effective after the regular season.

Florida tapped defensive coordinator D.J. Durkin as the interim head coach and hired former Colorado State coach Jim McElwain to coach the team next year.

McNeill, who was the defensive coordinator at Texas Tech before joining the Pirates, was placed in a similar position in 2010, when he was asked to lead the Red Raiders in the Alamo Bowl after the dismissal of Mike Leach. McNeill, who led his team to a 41-31 victory over Michigan State, said he can relate to what Durkin is going through and that he expects the Gators will be well prepared.

“Florida right now is going through a change,” McNeill said. “I’ve been where D.J. has been. I was there before we came here. All the guys I brought with me from Texas Tech were there. They went through that. The ‘interim’ tag is different. … I know he’ll have those guys ready to go.”


Dec 192014


By Nick Anderson
December 19

By the start of next school year, the federal government plans to rate colleges on access, affordability and student outcomes — possibly relying on graduates’ employment and earnings data.

Schools could be rated as high performers, low performers, or “in the middle,” according to a “draft framework” of the ratings plan that the Obama administration is releasing Friday. The document, essentially a status report on an initiative President Obama announced in August 2013, leaves many questions unanswered. But it makes clear that the Education Department still intends to assume a new role as an arbiter of the performance of thousands of colleges and universities.

“Designing a new college ratings system is an important step in improving transparency, accountability, and equity in higher education,” said Ted Mitchell, under secretary of education. “The public should know how students fare at institutions receiving federal student aid, and this performance should be considered when we assess our investments and set priorities.”

Mitchell acknowledged Thursday that the department is deliberating key issues: Which metrics will be used? How will colleges be grouped for comparison? How will they be given credit for improvement? What does “in the middle” mean, the middle 50 percent or the middle 90 percent? Will each college receive a single composite rating, multiple ratings — or both?

The administration is seeking public input by Feb. 17 on several potential metrics it could use to rate schools.

●On accessibility, it is weighing the share of students who have enough financial need to qualify for federal Pell grants; the pattern of expected family contributions to tuition; the distribution of students in groupings by family income; and the share of students whose parents did not attend college.

●On affordability, it is considering statistics on average net price and the net price paid by families at various income levels.

●On outcomes, it is considering graduation rates, transfer rates (for community colleges), graduate school attendance, loan repayment and “labor market success.” The latter, possibly including federal employment and earnings data, could be the most controversial element.

One of the few things that appears to be settled is that the government plans to rate four-year colleges and two-year colleges, but not schools that only offer graduate degrees.

Some higher education leaders say the very idea of government ratings is flawed.

“What we have repeatedly said is the federal government ought to provide lots of information, but not be in the position of picking winners and losers,” said David L. Warren, president of the National Association of Independent Colleges and Universities, which represents about 1,000 private schools. This view is shared by many congressional Republicans.

Others say the administration faces a challenge of immense complexity in figuring out how colleges should be sorted and measured, especially if it is relying on data of uncertain quality.

“They have produced a thoughtful framework that demonstrates extensive consultation,” said Terry W. Hartle, senior vice president of the American Council on Education, which represents college and university presidents from public and private sectors. “But it only serves to underscore our concern that the department lacks the data and the time needed to do this well.”

Wallace D. Loh, president of the University of Maryland, has backed the ratings initiative from the beginning. Told about the framework, Loh said Thursday he still supports the federal effort to analyze college outcomes.

“The symbolism is almost as important as whatever practical impact it has,” Loh said. “The message it is sending is, ‘We want more accountability on the basis of results.’ ”

The department circulated to reporters a “fact sheet” about the draft framework in advance of its release. In many respects, it echoes a document the White House released when Obama spoke about the initiative last year in Buffalo, N.Y.

“We don’t know a whole lot more than we did in August 2013,” said Warren, one of several higher education leaders briefed on the framework Thursday.

Mitchell, a former president of Occidental College in California, said the department has consulted with “close to 9,000 people” about the ratings. In the next two months, it will hear from even more. Then there will be an all-out sprint to decide on a formula and publish ratings ahead of the next school year.

“This is hard work. It’s complicated work,” Mitchell said. “And we want to do everything we can to get version 1.0 as right as we can.”

Dec 192014


By Nick Anderson
December 18 at 12:02 PM

The first wave of admission decisions is in for the Class of 2019.

Here are admission rates for the early round at some highly selective schools. We’ll update as we get more data. These are culled from news releases.

For comparison, previously disclosed admission rates for the Class of 2018 are noted in parentheses. Caveat: It’s important to remember that the Class of 2018 data is aggregated: those rates represent offers and applications from both the early and the regular rounds.

Caveat #2: Read admission rates with great caution because data-reporting methods vary from school to school.

One more technical point. “Early decision” means the student commits to attend the college as soon as the college says yes. “Early action” means the student can wait until next spring to decide.

Brown University: 617 early decision admissions out of 3,043 applications, 20 percent. (Class of 2018: 9 percent.)

Dartmouth College: 483 early decision admissions out of 1,859 apps, 26 percent. (Class of 2018 rate: 12 percent.)

Duke University: 815 early decision admissions out of 3,180 apps, 26 percent. (Class of 2018: 11 percent.)

Georgetown University: 907 early action offers out of 6,840 apps, 13 percent. (Class of 2018: 17 percent.) Note: Georgetown is the rare school with a lower admission for the early round than for the overall cycle.

Harvard University: 977 early action offers, out of 5,919 apps, 17 percent. (Class of 2018: 6 percent)

Johns Hopkins University : 539 early decision admissions out of 1,865 apps, 29 percent. (Class of 2018: 15 percent). Note: JHU had a widely publicized e-mail misstep in which 294 students who had not been admitted were sent erroneous messages welcoming them to the class of 2019.

Massachusetts Institute of Technology: 625 early action offers, 10 percent admission rate. (Class of 2018: 8 percent.)

Northwestern University: “More than 1,000” early decision admissions out of 2,793 apps. Precise figures for acceptance rate not released. (Class of 2018: 13 percent.)

Princeton University: 767 early action offers out of 3,850 apps, 20 percent. (Class of 2018: 7 percent).

Stanford University: 743 early action offers out of 7,297 apps, 10 percent. (Class of 2018: 5 percent)

University of Pennsylvania: 1,316 early decision admissions out of 5,489 apps, 24 percent (Class of 2018: 10 percent.)

Williams College: 244 early decision admissions out of 593 apps, 41 percent. (Class of 2018 rate: 18 percent.)

Yale University: 753 early action offers. Estimated admission rate: 16 percent. (Class of 2018 rate: 6 percent.)

Following are the initial, aggregated, overall admission rates for the Class of 2018 at some other selective schools:

American University : 46 percent.

Amherst College: 13 percent.

Bowdoin College: 15 percent.

California Institute of Technology: 8 percent.

Carleton College: 23 percent.

Claremont McKenna College: 10 percent.

Colgate University: 26 percent.

College of William and Mary : 33 percent.

Columbia University: 7 percent.

Cornell University: 14 percent.

Davidson College: 21 percent.

Emory University: 26 percent.

George Washington University : 43 percent. Note: GW was the subject of a recent Post story that looked inside the workings of an admissions committee.

Grinnell College: 27 percent.

Hamilton College: 26 percent.

Harvey Mudd College: 14 percent.

Howard University : 35 percent.

James Madison University : 63 percent.

Middlebury College: 17 percent.

Pomona College: 12 percent.

Rice University: 14 percent.

Smith College: 40 percent.

Swarthmore College: 17 percent.

University of Chicago: 8 percent.

University of Maryland : 47 percent. Note: This rate does not include numerous students offered admission starting in the spring semester, a U-Md. initiative that is unusually broad compared to the practice of other schools.

University of Maryland Baltimore County: 58 percent.

University of Notre Dame: 21 percent.

University of Virginia: 29 percent.

Vanderbilt University: 12 percent.

Vassar College: 23 percent.

Virginia Tech: 68 percent.

Washington University in St. Louis: 17 percent.

Washington and Lee University: 18 percent.

Wellesley College: 28 percent.

Wesleyan University: 23 percent.

Dec 182014


By Jane Dail
December 18, 2014

Tucked up on College Hill, an inconspicuous brick building looks like any other residence hall on East Carolina University’s campus. But more than 50 years after its construction, it is the most hotly debated building on campus.

In 1961, the East Carolina College Board of Trustees voted to dedicate a residence hall to former Gov. Charles B. Aycock posthumously, prior to integration in area public schools and the institution. The ECU Board of Trustees will vote today on whether to rename the building.

Tyree Barnes, a senior in religious studies and psychology, spoke to the ECU Board of Trustees during its November meeting urging them to remove the name of the controversial political leader from the campus.

Barnes said during an interview Friday he does not see it as a racial issue.

“I personally don’t think it’s a black and white issue,” he said. “I think it’s who is asleep and who is awake.”

Elizabeth Aycock Krewson, a doctoral candidate in the Department of Anatomy and Cell Biology at ECU’s Brody School of Medicine, said she is a distant relative of Aycock.

Krewson said she and her family, who live in Greenville and Farmville, believe there are two sides to every story, and Aycock’s accomplishments are not being acknowledged.

“We were deeply saddened and feel that the public outcry in favor of changing the Aycock name dorm (is largely built) on a platform of misunderstanding and (heightened) racial tension,” Krewson said.

Aycock’s legacy includes progress for education while also suppressing and intimidating black voters for political gain.

Opinions differed from students across the ECU community, as evidenced by a survey where 52 percent of students, 60 percent of faculty, 41 percent of staff, 31 percent of alumni and 33 percent of other participants voted in favor of renaming the residence hall.

An ad hoc committee that looked into changing the name voted unanimously Friday to recommend to the chancellor to have the building renamed. The chancellor will make his recommendation to the trustees.

The committee’s report states the continued use of the name “dishonors the university’s standards” and goes against its mission to foster diversity.

“That growing awareness of Governor Aycock’s advocacy of white supremacy, his belief that African Americans were inherently inferior to the white race and his actions to advance those beliefs must be contrasted with the values stated in ECU’s mission and values statement,” the report stated.

Aycock, a Democrat, served as governor from 1901 to 1905 and became known as the “education governor.” He founded more than 1,200 public schools including 91 for black students, started the textbook commission for the state, built 877 libraries and helped create child labor laws.

Krewson said Aycock also was responsible in part for the initial allocation of funds for East Carolina Teachers Training School, which now is ECU.

Aycock also took an active role in pushing white supremacy as a way to attract white voters and worked to have the legislature pass poll taxes and literacy tests at the polls while implementing a grandfather clause for anyone who could vote in 1867 and their descendents, which excluded blacks, according to the committee‘s report.

Barnes said though Aycock created schools for blacks, they did not teach enough for students to pass literacy tests required at the polls. He said Aycock’s accomplishments were built on a foundation of oppression and scare tactics.

“We would not be able to sit here and talk about all the accomplishments of Mr. Charles B. Aycock if he had not scared blacks away from the polls,” he said.

Janae Brown, a sophomore in graphic design, said people lean on the past and use it as justification.

“I think people are just trying to hold onto that positive aspect, to keep some positive behind it,” she said. “But people are still missing that it was not to benefit anybody but the white race. If it was up to this man, I personally wouldn’t be at this campus right now.”

Brown, who served on the ad hoc committee, said this is the first big push to have the name changed.

“It’s never been as big as it is now,” she said. “A lot of stuff gets done in college. Change happens in college.”

Barnes said he and other students initially began asking for a name change through the Student Government Association, though that request did not go far. Barnes said he and other students began a campaign around campus, which caught the attention of Vice Chancellor for Student Affairs Virginia Hardy. Through that avenue, Barnes and other students set up meetings with the Black Student Union and met with some of the members of the Board of Trustees before speaking at the November meeting.

Barnes, who had about 20 students including Brown with him during that meeting, said he believes his message got across to the trustees.

“The way I presented the case is it was a human issue, not just our issue,” Barnes said. “It’s everyone’s issue here at East Carolina University. It’s about doing what’s right.”

He said he has also spoken to students who live in Aycock Hall, including a resident advisor who felt uncomfortable living there, and the majority of residents are minorities. Barnes said he also has heard opposition from black students who do not understand the push behind the effort.

“They’re getting the name of Aycock mixed up with the memories,” he said. “… It could’ve been any name and you could’ve had those memories.”

Barnes said he questions why people are defending Aycock and does not believe his dedication to education is the real reason. He said this is one of the first times minorities at ECU have banded together for a common cause, and it may make some people uncomfortable.

“It’s always going to be uncomfortable birthing something bigger than yourself,” he said.

Krewson said removing Aycock’s name from the building does not fit the criteria of a new naming policy.

She did not respond to a questions about whether she understood why some people are for renaming Aycock, though she did say others who made unsavory decisions are not facing the same treatment.

“President John F. Kennedy’s indiscretions with women and Rev. Dr. Martin L. King Jr.’s plagiarism have both been well substantiated and documented, among others of great accomplishments,“ Krewson said. “There is not organized effort to have their names removed from anything.”

Brown said she found it ironic that ECU officials spoke out against cases of anti-semitism that happened on campus and at a student apartment earlier this year, yet the name change still is being debated.

“The disrespect we face racially, there’s nothing. There’s no message,” she said. “It’s always to defend the Jews, but when it comes to us, it’s ‘Get over it.’”

Brown said if officials do not change the name of Aycock Hall, she is considering transferring because it would contradict the university’s focus on diversity.

“When a school doesn’t push for the change that would be beneficial, I won’t give up, but what else?” Brown asked. “What else does it take?”

Barnes said the issues run deeper and there needs to be more empathy and understanding on campus.

“My intention is not to bash East Carolina University,” he said. “I love East Carolina University. I understand this thing started at the home. It started with their parents teaching them to view their world like this. How do we really get down to the root of the problem, which is a switch in belief systems, a tiny switch?”